Christ Apostolic Church

Steadfast OAC Member:I am not in any way or in any of my statements ilnincing that science have authority over the Bible nor the knowledge that I have regarding the proof of physical creation have authority over the Bible. That is your opinion. I will never say that science and history carries more weight than the Bible. Let me make this straight.The Bible is not a science book, yet it is scientifically accurate. I was referring to science and history, because you said that certain things in the Bible does not make sense physically. What does that mean? To you it does not make sense that the creation in Genisis can be physical ,because according to you, science does not make it possible. Am I right? Many people think that The Bible and science are enemies and that is totaly wrong. In fact, science compliments the Bible and proves the accuracy of The Bible. It is scientists and NOT science that contradicts the Bible. Scientists theories and their opinions contradicts the Bible. My response was directly aimed on this point. There is a great deal of scientific evidence that supports the Bible and it is too much to discuss on this forum and that is why I suggested that we do this off line, else we will clogg this blog. Let me make a couple of simple examples:Example 1:Job 26:7 : He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing. Science: Is the earth today hanging on anything? How will you interpret this spiritually and does it make sense scientifically?Example 2:Isaiah 40:22 : It is he that sits upon the circle of the earth Science: It is a fact that the earth is round. It took many centuries for men to discover this after numerous arguments and effort. Why did'nt they just took God's Word? Again , is this spiritual or physical?Example 3: Joshua 6:20 : When the trumpets sounded, the people shouted, and at the sound of the trumpet, when the people gave a loud shout, the wall collapsed; so every man charged straight in, and they took the city. History: There are evidence today of the walls of Jericho that fell and the way they fell. There are numerous other topics and examples that does not scientificaly makes sense to you such as Noah's flood, the genesis creation and many many more, but there is proof that this physically happened. This is what i was referring to when I talked about the Bible, science & history and NOT saying that science and history carries more weight.I am really puzzled when it comes to the fact that you believe that Jesus came in the flesh, but did not die in the flesh. His death must have been physical otherwise it would contradict the prophecy about the death of Christ and how would people then know that He was the Christ? Now that does not make sense. So, was the prophecies then also spiritual? So how would one than prophecy about something that will take spiritually place. Surely you prophecy in the spirit but about physical events, such as the physical death of a member in your congregation. So, what makes it so impossible for Jesus's crucifixion to be physical? So if the works, manners and miracles of Jesus were spiritual, what would the meaning of it be? So let's take the blind man whos sight Jesus restored. Are you saying that spiritually this man could not see, meaning he does not understand? What does he not understand? The Gospel? So have Jesus been doing when He preached to the others. Why don't the scriptures say that they were also blind and Jesus restored their sight. Another example, you will say that if someone is spiritually dead it means that he does not have the truth or he is a sinner. So why don't the Bible describe everyone(sinners) as dead as Lazarus, cause according to you everyone of those people would be spiritually dead. For example, when men come to church in suits in a symbolic manner this represents the armour of god. When we go about our natural work we can also apply the spiritual lessons we learn to the way we conduct our everyday lives so we can go out there and be examples unto others. Symbolic manner? represents the armor??? why don't you then carry a sword and a helmet also? I'm sorry, but I don't find this statement scriptural.You will contradict the scriptures if you take everything spiritually. One example is, let's take the creation of man. You know how you will apply it spiritually. Let's take the woman. Spiritually you'll say that this is the man's soul, but if you take that statement and read the rest of the scriptures you will see that it does not make sense. Later on you will find men with more than one wife. Does this say that man have more than one soul?Let's take Noah's flood for instance. I will agreee that we can apply this flood spiritually in our lives, but I disagree when you say that the flood is spiritual and NOT physical.You were reminding me of the fact that I am not using enough scriptures. Well, I have been using scriptures all the time, but you keep on interpreting it spritually when it suits you and using it out of context. You need to realize that you can't interpret everything as spiritual in Scriptures. Unless you are doing this with an open mind and except that there is a possibility that you might be wrong, this will not work. It will turn out into an argument. You are not letting go of the traditions and doctrine installed in you. I firmly believe though once an apostolic always an apostolic. This is what not what you firmly believe. This is the tradition and the doctrine of the OAC. It is not scriptural. It is another example of how everyone is programmed to respond to a former member. I also used that statement Apostle means messenger of God and I am a messenger of God, because I am carrying the message of Good News over to the rest of the world. I am not an old apostolic member anymore. I am simply a son of God that belongs to God's Curch. That is your opinion if choose not to listen to someone who prophecies in error or gives false testimony in error. If you are not prepared to at least question the officer or your vessel of blessing concerning the matter/s you have experienced then that is your loss. I have been challenging these officers and none of my questions were answered. If you read this thread from the beginning to the end, you will see in some of these questions in my responses and scriptual references which none of you were able to answer until this day. Not only on this thread, but some of your church's officers who still visits me on a regular basis are unable to answer these questions. I will rather turn to God himself than to trust in men, because this is what these officers are. They are men and NOT God. Today we don't need mediators like in the days of Moses and the other prophets. Christ took care of that on the cross for us. Why even bother to report, trust and listen to men(or a mediator between you and God) when you can have a personal relationship with God? Interested Reader has also stipulated, that your understanding is superior to everyone else’s on this thread? Is that attitude in accordance with the fruits of the spirit? No where have I found on this blog that myself or interested reader made this statement. On the contrary this is what the OAC practice. That their doctrine is superior. That the OAC is the only way to salvation. That they are the only true church. What fruit does this attitude stipulate?